Washington — “You’re not going to like my saying this,” Vice President Joe Biden told 6,000 delegates from the podium of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s annual policy conference — a spot that politicians usually vie over vigorously for the privilege of telling the crowd what they want to hear.
But Biden, after sending up his rhetorical warning, used his May 5 keynote speech to the pro-Israel lobby to convey the Obama administration’s insistence on a number of policies directly conflicting with those of the new government in Israel — and some policies held by previous Israeli governments, too.
Other speakers, such as Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, underlined Biden’s points on the need for Israel to stop expanding settlements in the West Bank and accept the necessity of a two-state solution to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
And when they went to lobby on Capitol Hill, AIPAC delegates even found some stalwart supporters in Congress holding back on one of their key legislative initiatives — a full-court press to impose new sanctions on Iran to accompany the Obama administration’s drive to engage Tehran diplomatically.
It was the lobby’s first mass encounter with a Washington now dominated by President Obama and his party. The broad and uncritical embrace of the Bush administration’s eight years seemed a distant memory. Bush’s GOP, now out of power in the White House and both houses of Congress, seemed in full retreat. And pro-settler evangelical Christians — a prominent feature of AIPAC conferences during the Bush era — were not on the schedule at this year’s conference.
Some AIPAC delegates were not shy about expressing their disapproval of the new order.
“I really think Obama needs to take a tougher line on Iran; he cannot afford a learning curve,” said Susan Canter, a delegate at the AIPAC policy conference, as she prepared to leave for Capitol Hill to lobby her elected representatives in favor of Israel.
Another delegate, Seymour Cohen from New York, showed little hope for talks with Iran. “I don’t believe in engagement,” he said, “but if you do it for only a limited time, it can be okay.”
But AIPAC’s politically savvy leadership, along with Israel itself, took a more nuanced approach, seeking to smooth over rough edges and bridge significant gaps that seem to exist with the United States over the administration’s new policies in the region.
With Iran taking center stage in the relationship between the United States and Israel, Israeli officials and supporters in America struggled to strike a tone that would express their concerns while not directly countering the Obama administration’s push for diplomatic engagement.
“Engagement should be backed with tougher sanctions to enhance the probability of success,” AIPAC’s Web site states. “Engagement should be combined with tougher sanctions in order to demonstrate the ramifications for Iran if it abuses America’s genuine desire for better relations.”
But the Obama administration has rejected calls by Israel and its American supporters for a sharp and clear time limit on diplomatic engagement with Iran and for increased sanctions on Tehran to accompany any talks.
The new reality became apparent during the AIPAC conference itself, when AIPAC’s top lobbying issue — new legislation that would tighten sanctions on Iran now — was put on hold in Congress immediately after it had been introduced.
California Democrat Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, announced that his committee would not take up the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act, which he himself had introduced. The legislation is intended to block exports of refined petroleum to Iran, and thereby increase the pressure on Iran’s faltering economy.
“I have no intentions of moving this bill through the legislative process in the near future,” said Berman, normally a strong supporter of AIPAC initiatives. He made it clear that the bill would go forward only if efforts to diplomatically engage Iran fail.
AIPAC officials, who sent more than 6,000 activists to lobby for the legislation, insisted that Berman’s position was not a blow for the lobby and that it did not reflect any difference of opinion. But a congressional source who closely follows Middle East affairs pointed out that putting legislation on hold at the time it’s introduced is highly unusual, especially when the bill is a top priority for the pro-Israel lobby.
In a May 3 interview with the Forward, Berman, a leading pro-Israel voice in Congress, said that his action was meant to send a double message: one in support of the president’s drive to engage with Iran, and another making clear that this engagement could not be open-ended.
“I went to the AIPAC dinner, and I met many people, and none of them said to me I was wrong in not moving this forward now,” Berman said, adding, “Whoever is as concerned as I am about a nuclear Iran should know that we are not foolish enough to think this is a never-ending process.”
While on Iran the differences of approach are nuanced, when it comes to Palestinian issues, significant gaps seemed evident between Washington and Jerusalem.
Israeli leaders, headed by President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, used the AIPAC conference venue to reach out to the administration, as well as to American public opinion and the Jewish community.
Netanyahu’s plan, as presented in his speech at the AIPAC conference via satellite and reiterated by his senior adviser Ron Dermer in meetings with Jewish activists, calls for parallel progress on three tracks: political, economic and a security track.
Both Netanyahu and Peres stressed that the new government in Israel is committed to renewing the peace process within this framework. Nevertheless, the change in policy was clear. The two leaders consistently avoided using the term “two-state solution” and chose wording that suggested no more than Palestinian sovereignty.
A senior Israeli diplomat said that this was not coincidental. “We used to talk with our counterparts every day about the need for a two-state solution. Now, we can’t mention it anymore,” said the diplomat, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak with the press.
The change of tone did not go unnoticed by the Obama administration.
In his speech, Biden told AIPAC supporters that Israel should work for a two-state solution and “not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement.”
Kerry, a former presidential candidate, was even more specific. “Nothing will do more to show Israel’s commitment to making peace than freezing new settlement activity,” he told the crowd. He added that new settlements only make it more difficult for Israel to protect its citizens.
“They undercut [Palestinian] President [Mamoud] Abbas and strengthen Hamas by convincing everyday Palestinians that there is no reward for moderation,” Kerry said. He specifically warned Israel to avoid building in the sensitive E1 corridor outside Jerusalem, an area that has long been a point of dispute between the United States and Israel.
In a private meeting with Peres later that day, Biden raised the settlement issue again and stressed the need to stop expansion of existing Jewish towns in the West Bank, Peres told reporters after the meeting. The Israeli president replied that East Jerusalem should not be considered a settlement and that there was no way to stop natural growth of settlements.
Trying to iron out these differences will be the main task for Netanyahu in his first meeting with Obama, scheduled for May 18. Peres, who tested the water in his May 5 visit to the White House, came out optimistic. “I don’t see any room for conflict between our government and the U.S.,” Peres said after the meeting. “I see here nothing but a great friendship.”
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GO IRAN!!- We're rooting for ya!!
"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." ~George Washington Farewell Address
"The nation which indulges toward another habitual hatred or habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interests." ~ George Washington
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
AIPAC needs to remember that there are a healthy number of us who supported Obama in his run for the Presidency who will not forget the treatment that Candidate Obama received at his appearance at AIPAC as an invited guest and the treatment that them candidate McCain received.
I spent three weeks in Florida last year in late October and early November and the mailing we received from some group identified as Jewish Republicans for Obama that verged on hate mail. The Conservative Christians are not our friends, neither are the Republicans on the far right.
I think AIPAC made some grave errors on the last few years and even before the campaigning started in earnest by putting all its eggs and efforts in one basket.
AIPAC needs to remember that there are a healthy number of us who supported Obama in his run for the Presidency who will not forget the treatment that Candidate Obama received at his appearance at AIPAC as an invited guest and the treatment that them candidate McCain received.
I spent three weeks in Florida last year in late October and early November and the mailing we received from some group identified as Jewish Republicans for McCain that verged on hate mail. The Conservative Christians are not our friends, neither are the Republicans on the far right.
I think AIPAC made some grave errors on the last few years and even before the campaigning started in earnest by putting all its eggs and efforts in one basket.
This isn't about AIPAC, Philip, or what they did or didn't do during the elections.
It's about Iran's creeping regional hegemony, which isn't good for Israel, the Arab countries, or the United States.
Read Lebanese bloggers and see how they feel about what's happened to their country because of Hezbollah. See what they have to say about Obama's muddy "diplomacy" with Iran.
Read how the Arab governments feel about Hezbollah's stated goal of overthrowing Egypt.
I know it's hard to believe, but some things are really bigger than partisan bickering and the endless conversation about AIPAC and the Israeli settlements.
But of course, focusing on these issues keeps papers like the Forward in business.
AIPAC needs to be made aware of the fact that the Israeli government's policies of the past 8 years cannot exist in perpetuity. Biden and Kerry's remarks serve to reinforce the message that settlement expansion and the systematic creation of a Palestinian archipelago only strengthens HAMAS calls for so-called "resistance", and marginalizes moderate forces in the Palestinian Authority.
A comment on Mr. Philip A. Robinson's comments that Conservative Christians and Republican's, on the far right, are not our friends. Please supply some evidence of same. By the way, on many occasions, Ariel Sharon heaped lavish praise on the Evangelicals (regardless of the reason for their support). And, Republican politicians have certainly been the most ardent supporters of the Jewish state, especially during the past eight (8) years. Just review historical records, it's all there for everyone to research.
And the new reality here comes none too soon! New realities on the ground in the region make the peace all deserve less and less likely unless the U.S. takes some strong stands and works to see that long-postponed actions are set into motion. Even so it won't be easy, but there is at least some hope.
Many of us cannot forget the hysterical chanting of "Four more years-four more years" at the AIPAC convention of 2004 when Bush addressed the group. AIPAC's loud boisterous support of the invasion of Iraq will be long remembered If the 77% of American Jews who voted for Obama can tell AIPAC that they are not the only voice of American Jewry so much the better.
To David Amen.
As to Robinson, you are either naieve, or you do not recognize the incipient Anti Israelism, which really is Anti-semitism, that is floating around Washington these days. To say that the Evangelicals, and "Right Wingers" are no friends of ours shows your Liberal views of the World today. There are fifty million Evangelicals in this country, and I imagine a great number of "Right Wing Republicans" who far out number the 3 or 4 million American Jews, who suppot Israel with all there heart. Don't look a Gift Horse in the mouth. There support is most welcome and the only ones who disparage this support are the Coast Liberal Jews who appear, to me, many times to be self hating Jews. I live in south Florida and most of my younger associates are of the far left. They were not around for the Holacoust, nor WW II. They know nothing of the Anti semitism that was prevelant in this country prior to WW II. It was only after the Ww II,in which I served for 3 1/2 years, that the Jews of this country could hold there heads up, and bow to no one, because of Israel. Mr. Robinson, don't you ever forget that.
Isn't it remarkable that this president, heralded by most liberal Jews, has now used his ruthless Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, to lay the law down for the Jews? "Either help establish a Palestinian State sworn to your destruction, or Iran is YOUR problem, not ours!" This is essentially what he said behind closed doors to the big hitters at the AIPAC convention.
Obama has found his personal Juden-RAT in Rahm Emanuel. Instead of supporting Israel against a Muslim world sworn to destroy her, Obama uses Emanuel to let Israel supporters know that Washington's new policy will be to coddle and appease the evil of Islamofascit regimes.
This is not an even-handed matter of Israel and "Palestine". Settlements are a security strategy against those sworn to destroy Israel and "drive the Jews into the sea".
You cannot equate the aggressor and the victim; far better to have settlements than Israel acting against the Palestinians with the same draconian tactics Arabs use against each other including mass murder of opponents, murder with burning rubber tires around the neck, execution for selling property to Jews, and attempts to overthrow the governments of Kuwait, Jordan, and Lebanon; all tactics used by the Palestinians against "brother Arabs".
As to the settlements themselves, Israeli policy is to accommodate natural population growth. Their government has taken the lead in destroying new, illegal settlements, often at great domestic political cost.
Anyone who attempts to equate the Palestinians and the Israelis in these matters is morally and ethically bankrupt, or a tool of Arab propaganda.
Arthur: The correct Israeli counter to Rahm Emanuel (if your report is accurate is for Israel to declare that if forced into acquiescence to a destructive Palestinian State without that state first being pacified, Iran is now the problem of the Saudis, Iraqis, Kuwaitis, and Egyptians; Israel reserves the right to act unilaterally only if it is directly threatened.
The Arabs the US depends on are far more vulnerable to Iran than is Israel; they have no such weapons systems, and inevitably it will fall on the US to defend them at great cost to American lives if they cannot count on the Israelis to do the necessary about Iran.
Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the black sheriff, threatened by a white mob, points a gun at his own head and says "If you don't stop I'm going to kill the "
Jesse Jackson crudely warned that an Obama administration would be no friend to Israel. The Jews of America, particularly the "progressives" and "liberals", chose to ignore the danger, while others may be chagrined that they foolishly believed Obama's dissembling concerning his commitment to Israel's security. Some of them, including some rather pathetic posters here, obviously don't care.
But we are now confronted, at the worse possible time, with an American administation clearly hostile to Israel.
There has never been a time when the Jewish State of Israel needed American Jews' support more than now. If the Iranian nuclear weapons facilities are not bombed, and soon, Tel Aviv is threatened with incineration. Millions of Jews' lives are at stake. The clear existential danger to the Jewish people is as great as it was in the 1930's. At the same time Jews are confronted with the most anti-Israel administration since Israel's birth, apparently even worse than Jimmy Carter's. And Obama has cynically hired an arrogant and aggressive "Jewish" fig-leaf for his anti-Israel policies.
Yet it appears that there is an unspoken fear, a fear of pressing our representatives, even a fear among our representatives, of confronting the Obama administration's anti-Israel policies. Cowardly Jewish politicians duck and cover. Even AIPAC seems fearful and weakened by its "nuanced" leaders.
Given the stakes, now is the time for American Jews to strongly stand up for Israel. For those Jews whose parochial "liberal" politics seem so dear to them, the question is: Is your political party loyalty or are Jewish lives of more importance to you? In order to answer that question, you are first going to have to face up to the fact that you were lied to and foolishly believed that lie: Obama is no friend of Israel. (If your answer is that you are first a "progressive" or "liberal" or "Democrat" or "Obama supporter", and then a Jew, then be prepared to sacrifice your people.)
All Americans who care for the survival of the Jewish State of Israel must strongly oppose their government's new anti-Israel policies, and press for military action against Iran's nuclear weapons facilities.
Jewish Americans have in years past bravely and proudly stood up for the rights and lives of others. Will we now do any less for ourselves?
This is not the time to appease the appeasers.
"Frank Lee Fri. May 8, 2009
Given the stakes, now is the time for American Jews to strongly stand up for Israel. ">>>>>>>
Now is the time for US Jews like Frank, who want to stand up for Israel, to go live in Israel. This is America , this Isn't Israel. Jewish interest aren't the majority American's interest. Israel's interest aren't America's interest. Contrary to Jewish propaganda we share no common culture or interest with Israel. Also contrary to Jewish myth the US does not owe the Jews for what Germany did. The Jews actually owe America and Americans, and we see how we are repaid with disloyalty and minipulation of our government for the benefit of their rogue foreign country.
21 centuries, explusion after explusion, from country after country, and you have learned nothing. All the old carnards that we use to make fun of ..."jew are always a nation within nation...incapable of being loyal to the country they live in"....we now see in real current time are absolutely true by what they have done, are doing in America. The cause of anti semitism?....doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pitiful. And stupid.
You US Israelis are stepping on my ancestors country and more importantly my children's future heritage in their own country. Keep your passport handy buddy because you are now at war with the American public...and you're going to lose.
for a millennium or so, 'jews' [euro-asian converts to judaism] had a tiger by the tail: christianity, at least according to some rabbis and other 'jews'; 'jews' mean that such people have no connection whatsoever with hebrews of n. kingdom nor with any shemitic people.
it is then no wonder that they began dreaming about dispossessing another people in order to obtain a country of their own. They cared nothing at all about the coming crimes against a weak people.
alas, alack in doing these crimes, they have now even a more ferocious tiger by the tail; tiger that never forgets nor stops its thirst for revenge. if that was all, it still will be enough for 'jews' to lament about "islamofascism" out to destroy israel [or as 'jews' say, to destroy the world] and the judaic cult but all people with 'tainted' skin hate judaic cult and its land robbbery with intent to murder.
but still, rabid 'jews' never learn; never give up the cult; i.e., hating all other cults and all other noncultists. tnx
Julia, Dear Julia:
Please tell me what makes you a spokeswomen for the Ameican Public. What is your background, and what contribution have you made to this great country of ours? Who are these ancestors that US Israeles;I assume you mean US Jews, are stepping on. Where did they come from ? Your heritage for your children is not based on your conception of what this country is all about but should be based on the "Greatest Generation that gives you the priviledge to espouse your garbage and filth. I am a member of that generation, saw combat, so I think I have a right to question your bonofides. I find it dispicable of you to tell Frank Lee to move to Israel because he has feelings for Israel counter to yours. AND FINALY, YOU ARE A SCUM BAG ARAB POSING AS AMERICAN CITIZEN ESPOUSING YOUR HATEFUL FECES ON A LIBERAL JEWISH PAPER IN THE GUISE OF MAYBE BEING JEWISH, WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE PROPAGANDIST FOR ISLAMIC TERROISTS.
MAY GOD HAVE NO MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.
I wonder why julia and Bozh do not post your true names. Afraid of being discovered for what you are.
Biden becomes Baker as he virtually apes what that vicious anti-Semite told a similiar AIPAC crowd 20 years ago..."Cease Settlement Activity".
This is the guy whom you 78 percent who voted for THAT ticket claimed would be a friend. Ditto, Shillary the Cuckolded Shrill Shrew of New York and bosom buddy of Suha Arafat.
Notice not a word of blunt talk or demands made upon Ahmedinejedad. Only a return to the ways of Jim Baker and Jimmy Carter by the guy who sat in a pew for 20 years applauding what a Nazi of color spewed. A guy whose closest friends and advisers are all Israel baiters: Wright, Brezinzski, Malley, Khalidi, Ayers, Power, Susan Rice, Ross, Miller, Kurtzer, Jones, and of course Charles Freeman. There's not a single pro-Israel voice amongst his entire Foreign Policy Staff. NOT ONE! Rahm Emanuel? Just a Court Jew and Girlieboy who'd sell us out. Ditto Axelrod.
And that includes the arrogant plagarizer who claims he's from Scranton. Trouble is, Biden doesn't have the brains or street smarts from someone from that city. He wouldn't last an hour in the Flats. For someone who also claimed to be "pro-Israel", well, he lied through his teeth.
Think about it.
Baker 1989 - "Cease Settlement Activity" - then - "F the Jews, they didn't vote for us anyway".
Biden (and Obama) 2009 - "Cease Settlement Activity" - then - "F the Jews, They'd vote for us all the time".
For Philip Robinson and Louis Diamond,
Excuse me, but when will reality hit you guys in the face?
Obama is NO friend of Israel nor the Jewish people, unless they happen to be the same kind of sycophants who hung around Uncle Joe Stalin even as he was butchering us. A guy who sat 20 years in a pew, even applauded that piece of crap, and never once had the cojones to either speak out or walk out is someone I'll never respect, period.*
Look at those whom he's associated with or befriended. This appease Iran policy was already set in motion when he first ran for President. He won't lift a finger if Iran does develop the bomb or God Forbid, drops one on Tel-Aviv. He's practically said so.
If Bibi has to go it alone, I hope he will then tell this guy and his worthless sidekick Biden not only to go to hell, but tell them too that the Palestinian question is now post paid. There will be no second state of terrorism.
As for Robinson and Diamond, you can kindly pay the 900 mil bailout Obama and Biden are taking from us to fund Hamas. And you can also board the trains first. It's only fair.
Follow Up to the Last Message:
If you noticed an asterisk after the comment "...I'll never respect, period"...Well, unlike one Barry Hussein Obama, who sat in a pew for 20 years, who sat reverently by the side of one of the worst bigots to ever occupy a U.S. Senate seat, and who bows to Saudi Kings of Slavery and Terror, I actually shed blood in the old Civil Rights Struggle when as a young man I publicly called for Open Housing in my state. Some of the Klan-minded types in my neighborhood didn't take too kindly to that, so one morning I was accosted and beaten by them, the words "Jewish "N-gger Lover" ringing in my ears.
Obama could have chosen character, cojones, and courage. Instead, he's just another shuckle and jive artist who's nothing more than a spineless victicrat. So sorry that 78 percent of my people, who had endured the rants, screams, and finally wholesale murder committed on behalf of another charismatic jerk were dumb enough to vote in Uncle Jeremiah's "Nephew", even when confronted with facts and evidence enough to cast doubts whether this coward was good or not.
I just hope that Israel won't have to pay the ultimate price for their snobbery and stupidity.
I'm a jew ,that is loyal to america first! Aipac as we have seen time and time again have proven not to be loyal to america! Its very hard for me to stand by a country that let's. 70% of it holocaust survivors live under the poverty level! This is not my tribe....
'Leonard Eisenstein' is a Muslim League provocateur-- to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Congratulations to 'George Washington' above for eminding us what Americanism was really about-- and it sure ain't running eternal interference for Zionist colonialist bigots such as Netanyahu and Lieberman (both Liebermans).
Let's hope more and more American citizens of Jewish ancestry under 40 cease to identify with that of the oppressive statelet of Israel, which has become a mortifying embarrassment: it's rapidly mutating into one more Near Eastern failed state full of 'Arab Jews', bogus Jewish Russians, crazy settlers and the corrupt Knesset puppet masters of those dopey masses.
Leave the drooling AIPAC ex-billionaires to their murderous fantasies, and send them off on a one-way trip with the neocons from the chickenhawk think tanks and Congress-bribery operations.
Make aliyah, invade Iran, leave the USA alone already. We don't need you schmucks fouling up our North American future.
www.nkusa.org
For the last two commentators,
One, I agree, Jeffrey, that Israel's behavior towards Holocaust survivors has in recent years been despicable. Just as the last Kadima government's attitude towards Sudanese Black Christians seeking refuge there has - it is NOT a perfect entity. The arrogance of the average Israeli and their business habits are a turn-off to almost anyone seeking Aliyah...BUT...it is the one state in the world where you know - in spite of Sharon's stupid disengagement - that you have a home as a Jew, and you're free from the hate - the hate that is increasing on our streets thanks to the tolerance of Islamic scum by average Americans and by the Obamites - of anti-Semitism.
Which leads me to Nilsson. Interesting with a name like Nilsson he posts the website of that scumbag organization Neuterei Karta, you know, the smelly sorts who hate Israel, consort with Ahmedinejedad and David Duke, but know how to overpopulate Mea Shearim and Bnei Brak and stone anyone who goes into those neighborhoods. You're right on one thing Jeffrey - the Israeli government should take care of the Holocaust survivors and throw these bastards out. Nilsson is probably a Duke advocate who loves N-K because they, like Duke and his followers, Wright and his, and the Hamas types they consort with want us dead. Holocaust survivors, and all.
One thing though, Nilsson, when we do invade Iran without your little buddy's support (I'm sure you and YOUR hero Duke love him immensely), Bibi will be free to deal with the Palestinians the way they should have been dealt with decades ago.
When will Israel sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?
eisenstein, since i get lotsof replies on DV i have shortened my name from bozhidar bob balkas to just bozh.
i used to post in early '08 on haaretz and j'lem post but, understanably i have been kicked out of both sites. I am glad i did because i discovered other sites. one of them is dissident voice in which i do most of my postings.
what i posit and evaluate as factual info cannot be refuted; thus most 'jews' resort to namecalling ;thinking or hoping that one wld shrink back from positing observable facts.
one wld have to be very unknowledgeable not to espy that 'jews' have manufactured selves a veritable enemy; the worst ever! tnx
Intuition told me Obama would work against Israel. And I don't think it is going to get any better. All those powerful intellectuals....and I am only grassroots mother and housewife who supports Israel and prays for the "peace of Jerusalem". Do not divide Israel!!
Alan the N.K like all other groups if had power would have jewish women in burqa's lol Alan Appreciate you not calling me a self haTing jew for my opinions on israel.what I'm hoping for is Bi Bi with his crazy ego be the one to give the people of palestine their own state. We have to do the right thing,look the right-wing neo-cons likudniks has proven to be the wrong way! Why do we even let Kritol,fieth,wumser,wolfowitz ever show their face again? Richard Perle now claims there never was a cabal called neo-cons these Jews don give a rats ass abt anyone,but their own pockets. There was plenty of money to be made in the defense dept,and some of them cleaned house.its time for some new blood give the people of palestine their own state
Jeffrey,
Sorry but you did cross a red line after all.
You use Neo-Con as disparagingly as the Neo-Nazis and Islamofascists do, when you probably don't even know anything about Neo-Conservativism. Also you pointed out almost every single Jewish Neo-Con but seemingly, or deliberately forget that the Neo-Conservative movement came about as the efforts of both Jews - and Non-Jews like Scoop Jackson, bless him, and Jeane Kirkpatrick, bless her, to counteract the destructive policies of the anti-Semite Carter (the faces you should demand not seeing again are those of Jimmy, Rev. Wright, and half of those who advise Obama - they're both America and Israel haters).
I'd take a Feith, a Kristol, an Abrams, even a Wolfowitz anyday over the obnoxious Rahm Emanuel, the Commie Axelrod, and bigmouth Wexler, guys who'd sell us out to the anti-Semites like Power, Malley, Freeman, and yes, Biden and Bama.
Shame on you. And by the way, the Palestinians were offered the opportunity of having their own state, peacefully side by side with Israel for 15 years. Instead of peace, the monster Arafat and his cronies hiked up the violence, women and children were deliberately targeted, until finally with the Camp David 2000 breakdown Israel had had enough. Even with Olmert they tried again, enduring 3 years of nonstop rocket bombardments until enough was enough. Simply put, the two-state solution is dead, despite what you or Jeremiah Wright's nephew want. And they, in their hatefest towards Jews honestly don't deserve a state. The right thing is autonomy - and only if they seek peace. Otherwise they get what they deserve.
'jews', or only s'mwhat and most cultish ones, have another tiger by the tail:peace, a greater enemy to cultists than even mightily feared 'islamofascists'.
with peace in accord with the will of the shemitic and other peoples with the 'tainted' skin, tiny israel can house perhaps only 1mn 'jews' and few or none of the true ashk'c 'zionists'. the reason being that ashk'c voelken don't like shemites anyway and don't want to live on the same street with them.
also for that reason peace was delayed as 'zionists' waited and waited for permit to oust all palestinians; some lebanese and jordanians, et al but permit never came and it appears now it may never come.
all observers, i assert, see the obvious: israel is a total dependency on the will of christian world who also are hated by the cultists. Israel is also of no strategic import. Everything israel does for christians cld have done by christian lands selves and much easier and quicker. but christians also can't afford peace; it being their most feared enemy. tnx
Bozh,
If I am reading you correctly, you are a Jew-baiter. Kindly check yourself in, as it seems you have some very serious issues to deal with. And peddle your nonsensical anti-semitic garbage elsewhere.
I'm hoping cooler heads prevail. There is plenty of love to go around.
I'm hoping cooler heads prevail. There is plenty of love to go around.
So, everyone that don't agree with Israel's right wing policy are anti-Semites. This is what's wrong with AIPAC and other so called pro Israel PACS. The gig is up, stop stepping on your own dicks, and behave your selves. People are tired the the old I can't get my way so I'll use the anti-Semite route. It's tired and one cares anymore. I guess the whole world are a bunch of anti-Semites too, because they're always voting against the illegal land grab Israel continues to do, (yea, build houses in buffer zones with my tax money.) Drag us into wars, take money from us Americans in Foreign aid that we have to borrow from China, Spy on us. Corrupt politicians to get your way, own and manipulate the media to get your way. And saying these truths make me an anti-Semite, then so be it. You'll never understand main stream America because do you think an average American will talk about a taboo subject like Israel with a Jew? You have no one to thank but yourselves on that one. I have to correct people and let them know that Israel's policy don't reflect how most Jews feel in this country, it's it's own animal. I even donated to J street. I want to be able to have a conversation with a Jew, not agree with Israel and not be a pariah. The gig is up. Oh, I also would like an apology for the USS Liberty.
So, everyone that don't agree with Israel's right wing policy are anti-Semites. This is what's wrong with AIPAC and other so called pro Israel PACS. The gig is up, stop stepping on your own dicks, and behave your selves. People are tired the the old I can't get my way so I'll use the anti-Semite route. It's tired and one cares anymore. I guess the whole world are a bunch of anti-Semites too, because they're always voting against the illegal land grab Israel continues to do, (yea, build houses in buffer zones with my tax money.) Drag us into wars, take money from us Americans in Foreign aid that we have to borrow from China, Spy on us. Corrupt politicians to get your way, own and manipulate the media to get your way. And saying these truths make me an anti-Semite, then so be it. You'll never understand main stream America because do you think an average American will talk about a taboo subject like Israel with a Jew? You have no one to thank but yourselves on that one. I have to correct people and let them know that Israel's policy don't reflect how most Jews feel in this country, it's it's own animal. I even donated to J street. I want to be able to have a conversation with a Jew, not agree with Israel and not be a pariah. The gig is up. Oh, I also would like an apology for the USS Liberty.
I do know know quite a bit abt neo-cons I find it funny that you support kristol,correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall they were a bunch of marxist trotksey that jumped whatever party serves Israel first! 95% of neo-cons are jewish. Correct me if I'm wrong ,but why did kristol leave the dems? Oh yea they dint like the Carter peace treaty with egypt that still holds today
I do know know quite a bit abt neo-cons I find it funny that you support kristol,correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall they were a bunch of marxist trotksey that jumped whatever party serves Israel first! 95% of neo-cons are jewish. Correct me if I'm wrong ,but why did kristol leave the dems? Oh yea they dint like the Carter peace treaty with egypt that still holds today
I do know know quite a bit abt neo-cons I find it funny that you support kristol,correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall they were a bunch of marxist trotksey that jumped whatever party serves Israel first! 95% of neo-cons are jewish. Correct me if I'm wrong ,but why did kristol leave the dems? Oh yea they dint like the Carter peace treaty with egypt that still holds today
First, the bozo who calls himself "America First"...
Interesting how our native Fascists always try to wrap themselves up in an American flag when it comes to beating up on Israel. You never hear these same dolts screaming about China, where almost all of our manufacturing has gone to, or Britain. Or Canada. Or Australia.
But an Israel that has shared values with America, a country that supported us wholeheartedly during the Cold War and has been our closest ally - if Bush I and his bigoted bastard buddies Baker and Scowcroft had allowed it, his son would never have gotten stuck in Iraq - the Israelis were willing to take out Saddam in '91 but Bush Senior and Baker wanted to kiss the asses of Syria and the Saudis instead - in the war against terror.
And speaking of illegal land grabs I daresay that the Jews in Judea-Samaria have much more right to THEIR land than some Neo-Nazi jerk in Pogash who is probably living on confiscated Native American land. Guys like America First would be funny if they weren't so sad, because if you scratch a Nazi you get a Commie and if you scratch a Commie you get an Islamofascist lover. Interesting how all these groups, whom you'd think would hate each other all know how to goosestep when Israel exercises the right to self defense as it did over Gaza.
Oh yeah, he brings up the Liberty canard. If you want to blame anyone for that fiasco, blame the Secretary of Defense McNamara - the same incompetent who blundered the Vietnam War, and the head of the CIA back then who allowed that ship to get too damn close to a war zone. But hey, this Fascist would sooner blame the Jews.
And yes, AF you are an anti-Semite. Go march with those who'd slit your empty skull.
As for you, Jeffrey, partly correct, partly wrong. Some came of the post-Trotsky Left, but unlike the Nazis of ANSWER (including the self-hating Jews Sam Marcy and Brian Becker) never moved further Left into Stalinist and Maoist circles. They moved right, but the majority as I pointed out left the Democratic Party, not because of Camp David but because of Iran and Nicaragua - the worst blunders in recent U.S. Foreign Policy, made by an incompetent, racist, coward whom we embraced ala Obama. Carter in the end, was pursuing a Leftist agenda, U.S. allies be damned, unless they were the Saudis - and Chinese - who were paying him off handsomely. It was Kristol's dad, and others, including Scoop Jackson and a few high ranking State Department officials who went to a meeting, expressing concerns about Soviet aggression and American retreat, and were given the bum's rush by the Ku Klux Klan acolyte with the Howdy Doody face. That is how the movement got under way.
And if you have a problem with so many Jews being neo-cons - you must be a self-hater and a Neo-Fascist if you do - then go and goosestep too, with "Amerika" First" and the rest of the resident Jew-haters.
Oh, Amerika Fascist,
Question for you, bud.
How do you square with 900 million of our dollars being given by Obama and his friends (no doubt yours) to Hamas while we Americans need that kind of money at home?
Don't step on your dick so hard when answering, Adolf Junior.
Allen calling me names will not silence me,and dare I say racist jews like you don't help the new wave of anti-semitism!You defend israel right or wrong! I have an answer for everything you claimed from the USS liberty Israeli even said sorry for the mistake they made,but you blame macnamara? Uss liberty was in international waters. I agree 100% with america first last post! Self hating jew no I'm an enlightend jew! Anti-semitism is brought on by our actions not because we are jewish. cause, and effect allen cause, and effect.......
Allen calling me names will not silence me,and dare I say racist jews like you don't help the new wave of anti-semitism!You defend israel right or wrong! I have an answer for everything you claimed from the USS liberty Israeli even said sorry for the mistake they made,but you blame macnamara? Uss liberty was in international waters. I agree 100% with america first last post! Self hating jew no I'm an enlightend jew! Anti-semitism is brought on by our actions not because we are jewish. cause, and effect allen cause, and effect.......
http://www.irmep.org/ila/fta/ Allen if you can defend these ingrates then you are in the wrong country. Israeli stole our trade secrets! (Hey just want our money they don't give a rats ass abt us! How can any american who is jewish defend this
Egypt has not attacked israel once! Sorry , but ur facist leaders has given us what? Allen who gives you the right to call jews who are working for peace sell outs,maybe these jews know somwthing you don't? HasEgypt Rahm Emanuel? Just a Court Jew and Girlieboy who'd sell us out. Ditto Axelrod.
I am a mesianic jew I read the bible and watch for the signs. 1 the world has always hated us for one reason or other they would say a jew is a jew is ajew and the only good jew is a dead jew that comes from Nazi Germany as well as Nazi islam and the reason I say nazi islam is because they think in the same way that hitler saw. it Is time for all jews to stop bickering and work together. If you think that things will get better I got some bad news for you sunshine, it won't not for a while peace will not come by way of man but through god.let's face itwe are a nation most hated by all and yes I too believe that Obama is bad news. I didn't vote for the schmuck nor would I. so all we can do for now is to hope and pray and have faith as a people. to have faith in our god. for he will take care of us.
Re: After Israel's 'latest' massacres in Gaza, those in Beirut, summer of 2006; and its attack on Syria in 2008, have shown us that the Jews have no 'justifiable' reason to have nukes under their control.
Last year an Israeli poll found that 73% of Israeli's favored an Israel 'nuking' of an Arab/Persian nation - and with what we have seen the Jews capable of doing ('illegal' white phosphorus chemical, DIME munitions used on civilians; cluster bombs used on ambulances carrying paramedics, doctors and the injured and even children escaping the fighting who were massacred by the IDF thugs and murderers of the IDF/IAF in cold blood.
Israel in its current 'racist/apartheid' state has no right to exist,' and each day the people that feel this way makes for a bigger and bigger group.
Anti-semitic rant? Naw, after all, what is more anti-semitic than the daily murder, maiming and displacenent of 'semitic' Palestinians?!!!!
TheAZCowBoy Tombstone, AZ.
'Kill 'em all Hezbollah - Let their G-d sort them out.'
Every day Muslims loudly and proudly proclaim their aim is to kill Jews. Can you produce quotes from Jewish leaders who claim their aim is to kill Muslims?
I have a looseleaf notebook of writings by Jews who hate other Jews. This email gives me more additions to my collection.
The misstatements of facts and anti-semitic outpourings are reminiscent of what Joseph Goebels diseminated.
I have written the start of s book clearly demonstrating thst Jews are hated, not for what they do that is harmful but are hated beacause they make other people feel bad about themselves, because of the Jews amazing accomplishments and when demographically examined,their superior morality.
Much of the world can't get over the portions of the Torah that claims Jews as the Chosen People, Gods Fsvorites, and the requirement to be A light unto the Nations. This makes others feel "bad" about themselves.
They can't compete satifactorily, so they make up lies and try to physically destroy the Jewish people.
So far it hasn't worked. But with modern technology This may be the time when the Jew haters will succeed. If it does work will those Jew hating Jews be spared?
Hooray for those Christians who now support the Jews. They have put humanity above theology.
Harv
It is amazing how the jew haters distort all facts that are all evident during the recent 60 plus years. The sliver of land that is Israel that they call Territories. The map of tha Arab controlled area is enourmous compared to the Israeli 'Territories'. With all that unused land mass no despot in the area will show compassion to the horde of refugee Paletinians nowhere is there a welcoming sign giving them a home. The Arab population living in Israel have better living coditions and the same rights as citizens as does the Jewish population compared to what is avilable to them in Arab controlled land.Unfortunately, the 97 percent of the U.S. Jewish electorate in my opinion have made a mistake in their choice for President. It has become apparent that President Obama does not have the welfare of the state of Israel at heart. He is hell bent in the fruitless two state direction he is leading us to. The Palestinians have found that peace for them and a state will remove them from the position of underdog and the loss of the huge grants thrown at them without any apparent benefit to the people it is intended to help. Thousands of palestinians had made a good living working in Israel but the onset of Arafat and his Jihad with suicide bombings and murder caused the closing of the borders and resulting loss of means to earning their daily bread. The direction our President has led us to further prolonged dicussions with Iran will lead us as it has for the many years nowhere. Iran under the mad Mullahs is hell bent to atomize Israel and create a holocaust that will spread worldwide.
"Jesse Jackson crudely warned that an Obama administration would be no friend to Israel."
He is right...still can't not understand why any jews voted for him..
"Jesse Jackson crudely warned that an Obama administration would be no friend to Israel."
He is right...still can't not understand why any jews voted for him..
Harvey Rogers Fri. May 22, 2009
Every day Muslims loudly and proudly proclaim their aim is to kill Jews. Can you produce quotes from Jewish leaders who claim their aim is to kill Muslims?
Deuteronomy 19:1. Genocide
1When the LORD thy God hath cut off the nations, whose land the LORD thy God giveth thee, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their cities, and in their houses;
1. Gazawar!!! 2. Iraqwar!!! 3. Afghanistanwar!!! ( Koran against Bible: Bible against Koran )
Atheist!!!