Washington — For the first time in America’s decades of jousting with Israel over West Bank settlements, an American president seems to have succeeded in isolating the settlements issue and disconnecting it from other elements of support for Israel.
It is a disentanglement now seen most clearly in Congress, which in the past served as Israel’s stronghold against administration pressure on the issue. But when Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu came to Capitol Hill for a May 18 meeting after being pressed by President Obama to freeze the expansion of West Bank settlements, he was “stunned,” Netanyahu aides said, to hear what seemed like a well-coordinated attack against his stand on settlements. The criticism came from congressional leaders, key lawmakers dealing with foreign relations and even from a group of Jewish members.
They included Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry, who heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Democrat Carl Levin of Michigan, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee; California Democrat Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, and California Rep. Henry Waxman, a senior Democrat.
The Jewish lawmakers among them believed “it was their responsibility to make him [Netanyahu] very, very aware of the concerns of the administration and Congress,” said a congressional aide briefed on the meeting. The aide, who declined to be identified, stressed that despite the argument on settlement issues, members of Congress remained fully supportive of Israel on all other issues, including the need to deal with Iran and the concern over Hamas and Hezbollah’s activity.
In their meetings, according to the congressional aide, lawmakers rejected Netanyahu’s call for Palestinian reciprocity on terrorism as a precondition and kept pressing him on the need to stop building in settlements.
Another staffer on Capitol Hill however, stressed that the heated atmosphere should not be interpreted as a sign of a breakdown in relations. “Jewish members,” the staffer said, “express their views very freely” when meeting with Israeli leaders, and did so with Netanyhau’s predecessors as well.
The Israeli prime minister also found little support for his position on settlements from the organized Jewish community. Jewish communal groups have largely remained silent and did not spring to Netanyahu’s defense.
“Even the most conservative institutions of Jewish American life don’t want to go to war over settlement policy,” said David Twersky, who was until recently the senior adviser on international affairs at the American Jewish Congress. “They might say the administration is making too much of a big deal of it, but they will not argue that Jews have the right to settle all parts of Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel].”
The single voice backing Netanyahu’s policy among groups with the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations — the umbrella organization of Jewish groups — was that of the Zionist Organization of America, which denounced the administration’s demands as “illogical, unjust and dangerous.”
The renewed clash over settlements surfaced following Netanyahu’s May 18 meeting with Obama, when it became clear that the new administration was trying to redefine the discussion at a time when pro-settler political parties play a prominent role in Israel’s governing coalition. Obama sought a comprehensive settlement freeze from Israel as part of a White House effort to restart a dormant peace process, which, in turn, is part of a larger strategic project: bringing together Israel and its Arab adversaries to resist a threat from Iran as it pursues nuclear capabilities.
Netanyahu rejected this linkage and America’s demand for a settlement freeze, arguing that it should not include “natural growth” — defined as population growth from within and territorial expansion by already established large settlement blocs expected to remain under Israeli rule in a final-status agreement.
But a recent report by Israel’s Peace Now organization, which monitors settlement activity, found that more than a third of new units built in established settlements in recent years are used to absorb newcomers rather than to accommodate internal growth.
Obama did not address the natural growth dispute publicly after his meeting with Netanyahu, but a harsh and clear statement by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in an interview with the Al-Jazeera network made it clear that Netanyahu’s view was unacceptable. “We want to see a stop to settlement construction, additions, natural growth — any kind of settlement activity,” she said.
The position was not new. The so-called “road map” peace plan — a broad multi-step process first outlined in 2002 — calls for a complete settlement freeze by Israel, “including natural growth of settlements” as one of the first steps to be taken.
Netanyahu was publicly silent on the issue during his stay in Washington. But on returning home, he defiantly told his Cabinet, “The demand for a total stop to building is not something that can be justified, and I don’t think that anyone here at this table accepts it.”
That was certainly true for Defense Minister Ehud Barak of the usually more dovish Labor Party.
“We need to find a way to explain to the Americans that there is no link between outposts and Iran,” Barak told Israeli reporters. “It’s not as though the minute an illegal outpost is dismantled, the Iranians will abandon their nuclear aspirations. Therefore, these issues must not be directly hinged on one another.”
On May 26, Netanyahu sent a team headed by Cabinet minister Dan Meridor to convey this message to American special envoy George Mitchell and to offer a new deal in which Israel will dismantle illegal outposts in return for American consent to continue building for natural growth needs.
Israel first promised to dismantle the illegal outposts in 2003, when then-prime minister Ariel Sharon gave a similar commitment to Bush.
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Maybe Iran should stop all expansion of all small missiles, but be allowed the natural expansion of it's nuclear program?
Is Hamas allowed to fire some missiles? what kind of idea is this? It is Illeagal by international law, and is determential to the peace process, but they don't want to do it because it's not in their interest (Iran agenda)?
How can you have the legitimacy to tell someone to stop something illeagal when you yourself will not stop another illeagal item?
If the US runs out of room we can't expect to build in Canada and just call it natural growth, sorry your out of room, it sucks, too bad.
It's also nice to see some of the Jewish members of congress looking at the best interest if the US this time around, very refreshing. I always thought that since Israel insists of having a loyality law that maybe the US needs one too, no more dual citizenship. Those who have dual citizenship, live in the US, but fight for the Israeli military, how is that not disloyal to the US. Maybe end dual citizenship here in the US and show loyality here too.
Well not all of congress was supporting Obama's anti Israel agenda.
Just the democrats.
So American Jews who care about Israel should read articles like this and realize its not just Obama who is anti Israel but the entire leadership of the democratic party.
The left in America believes in its heart that Zionism is racism. Moveon.org, The Daily Kos and the rest of the left is viruntly anti Israel and supportive of terrorism against Israel.
The solution for American Jews is to start voting like Jews, for Republicans like Sarah Palin who are strong supporters of Israel and who recognize that the land of Israel is G-d's gift to the Jewish people.
The solution for American Jews is to start voting like Jews, who, like Obama, would like to empower the moderates in the Arab world to overthrow the criminals who create terror. The people who build settlements don't care about that. And of all people, Sarah Palin, has no clue.
Good Jews should vote for Sarah Palin? Run to ignorant gentiles for protection? How could anyone be so naive? Have we learned nothing from the triumphs of Zionism?
I'll give a nickel to anyone who can find a shred of evidence that before 2008, Sarah Palin knew the difference between Hamas and Hummus.
Vote for Sarah Palin. Sheesh. Give me a break.
Always interesting to read what some of the religious-right settlers say themselves:
YESHA RABBIS ADVISE SOLDIERS NOT TO HELP DESTROY OUTPOSTS by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
Leading national religious rabbis called on soldiers Wednesday night to refuse orders that involve them in the destruction of Jewish hilltop communities and the expulsion of those living there.
Their call sparked a protest in the mass media and among several political leaders, similar to the storm that raged over the same issue during the period of the expulsions from Gaza and northern Samaria in 2005 and in Amona two years ago.
Kiryat Arab-Hevron Chief Rabbi Dov Lior and Beit El Chief Rabbi Zalman Melamed were among those who wrote a statement that said “the holy Torah prohibits taking part in any act of uprooting Jews from any part of “our sacred land.”
In radio interviews Thursday morning, Ichud Leumi (National Union) Knesset Member Michael Ben-Ari and officials of the Council of Rabbis for communities in Judea and Samaria (Yesha) explained that Israel was established because of the Torah and therefore one cannot carry out policies that are against it.
The rabbis conferred at the small community of Givat Asaf, one of the 26 sites that Defense Minister Ehud Barak has vowed to destroy, by force if necessary.
An official for the Council of Yesha Rabbis added, "The government is ruled by non-Jews like [President Barack] Obama and that is our weakness. It is not Jewish sovereignty. They are throwing sand in our eyes with their declarations.”
Most of the outposts are hilltop sites, some of which are full-fledged communities comprised of dozens of families. The government already has prepared orders telling residents to leave voluntarily or face police and soldiers, similar to the force used last week at the Maoz Esther outpost in Samaria.
The same calls for refusing to carry out what the rabbis define as illegal orders resulted in a fierce debate in 2005 as the government prepared tens of thousands of security forces to expel nearly 10,000 Jews from two dozen communities in the Gaza region and part of northern Samaria.
The issue has become increasingly significant because a growing number of combat officers come from national religious institutions.
Several national religious leaders, such as Moshe Hagar, who heads the group of two dozen pre-army Torah academies (Mechina), previously opposed disobeying orders. However, he said in an interview Thursday morning that "the soldiers no longer need to ask rabbis concerning expulsions because they know what to do." Others have stated that soldiers must not refuse orders but should simply tell their commanding officers they do not feel well and cannot function properly.
As in the past, the Yesha rabbis’ advice was met with demands that they be arrested for incitement. MK Ofer Pines-Paz said, “The rabbis' call to refuse military orders undermines Israeli democracy. This is dangerous incitement that is liable to break up the IDF.” _____ Excerpt from Arutz Sheva Daily Israel Report http://www.IsraelNationalNews.com Thursday, May. 28 '09, Sivan 5, 5769
I'm glad to see that more Jews are no longer afraid to say that Israel's settlements are illegal and the greatest obstacle to peace.
It's long overdue. The AIPAC/Settler Lobby, with its un-Jewish message, has been calling the shots for too long. Memo to earth guys. Your day has passed!
Oh yes. How brave and virtuous. Tell Jews they cannot build in established towns that even Yasir Arafat said could become part of Israel. That'll bring peace. Or not.
Leaving Lebanon. Leaving Gaza. None of it brought peace.
"Moderate" leader Mahmoud Abbas said a few weeks ago what he's been saying for decades. He gave one word when Netanyahu asked him to accept Israel as a Jewish state: "Never!"
Abbas didn't say, "Well, ok, as long as no Jews live in the new state of Palestine."
It is immoral and foolish to think that agreeing not to live next to those who hate you will make them stop hating you.
Jews have a right to live in the West Bank. Should they give it up for peace? Most Israeli Jews say yes. What most Israeli Jews no longer believe is that giving up the right to live in the West Bank will bring peace.
By the way, is anyone putting pressure on Arabs not to build houses in Israel? Or not to build houses in the West Bank so as not to pre-judge a final status agreement? Why is only Israel being asked to make concessions?
Why is the first priority demanding that Israelis not build houses in the West Bank because the Palestinians want their future state to be judenrein? Why is the first priority not demanding that Palestinians stop trying to kill Israelis? Why is there no priority on insisting that the Palestinian leadership agrees to the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish state?
After all, there dozens of officially Muslim states that no one calls racist much less that anyone demands cease to exist.
Abbas has made it plain. He wants a state with no Jews ("settlers" means Jews, he's fine with Arabs settling the West Bank.) And a second state with mostly Arabs and some Jews. Meanwhile, the organization of the "moderate" Abbas continues to teach school children to hate Jews as "pigs and monkeys" and his organization's Imams tell Palestinians to "kill Jews wherever you may find them."
In the 60's in the US, many argued that African-Americans should be prohibited from moving into white neighborhoods for the safety of African-Americans. That was racist. So is demanding that the Palestinians have a Jew-free state.
Congress, and Jewish Congressional leaders, leaned on Netanyahu because they realize that the organized voices of the Jewish community like AIPAC are to the right of where most American Jews are. We're ashamed of those settlements and the people who think another people's rights can continue to be trampled. I'm glad Bibi was "stunned," he needs a few more surprises from the U.S.
American Jews need to let their representatives know that taking a tough line on settlements will gain them, not lose them, support.
What a pathetic bunch. So many Jew haters (Jews and non-Jews) read the Forward. (But kudos to "LB" and others like him)
It is absurd to claim that Jewish "settlements" are the (or any) obstacle to peace. All the "settlements" (long-established Jewish communities) in Gaza were forcibly evacuated by Israel, which not only did it not create "peace" with Gaza, but emboldened the "palestinians" to militarily attack Israel with rockets.
The argument that "settlements" are preventing "peace" is beyond silly; it is bizarre. The "palestinians" have done nothing, worse then nothing, to advance any "peace". In fact, while a few of their leaders garner hundreds of millions of dollars by claiming they are in favor of "peace", they have made it abundantly clear by their actions and what they tell their people in arabic, that their real goal is the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel. It is clear that large Jewish communities near the previous 1967 border with Jordan will remain if any "peace" ever occurred. Meanwhile the continuous "natural growth" of arab settlements and squatters, continue unabated. (Just try to remove one illegal arab squatter in someone else's property in Jerusalem, and the Israel-haters wail!)
The instantaneous removal of all the other "settlements" will make zero - not one iota of difference in getting the arabs to stop attacking Israel and enter into a real "peace". To the contrary, they will continue to attack and demand. So why the bizarre argument?
Since this is such an absurd argument, the motivations for making it are really the issue. These are a combination of: (1) antisemitism - under the thin guise of anti-Israel "policies" and by those who despise the idea of a Jewish state (including far-left "Jewish" antisemites, such as J-Street), (2) political gain (including by ersatz far-left "Jewish" congressmen, and of course, the so-called "palestinians" and other arabs), and (3) the political cowardice of those who know better.
So, aside from Israel's adversaries (Obama's administration, now including Hillary Clinton), who are the ones attacking Israel? Far-left Democrats; John Kerry, Carl Levin, Howard Berman, and Henry Waxman. (American Jewish voters, take note).
And who fails to come to Israel's support? Various "Jewish communal groups". The explanation is that they, "don't want to go to war over settlement policy". One might guess it could have something to do with the fact that the time in which to confront the overwhelming existential issue of a nuclear Iran is ticking away. The "settlements" issue is being demagogued by the far-left and cynically imposed on Israel by Obama, as a way to avoid confronting Iran by keeping Israel on the defensive.
This article is more than a little biased (in a lefty way, of course) by claiming that the "single voice" backing Israel is the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. That "single voice" represents 50 major Jewish American organizations. It is a virtual "who's who" of American Jewry, from the orthodox to the reform: http://www.conferenceofpresidents.org/content.asp?id=55
Here is their position on "US-Israel Relations, Israel's Security and Middle East Peace": http://www.conferenceofpresidents.org/content.asp?id=12
Among them are:
...
- supports a just and lasting peace between based on sequenced, performance-based steps, as well as peace and normalization of relations between Israel and her neighbors.
- supports calls for the Palestinian Authority to take concrete steps to disarm and dismantle the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure, and for Arab countries to stop the flow of funds that bankroll terrorist activity.
...
It does appear, however, as claimed, that Obama, "seems to have succeeded in isolating the settlements issue and disconnecting it from other elements of support for Israel." As such, it appears to be reflective of an administrations antagonistic to Israel, engaged in a strategy "divide and conquer" to weaken American Jews' support for Israel. It is part of a cynical strategy to divert attention and weaken support for Israel, in order to run out the time to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
Contemporary American Jews appear to me to be a most ill-informed, arrogant,and ignorant group when it comes to Middle East political realities. As a group they tend to follow the Democratic Party lemming-like, based mainly on the fact that their parents and grandparents were Democrats dating back to the Presidency of FDR in the 1930's and 1940's. They considered Roosevelt to be Moshiach even though his policies led to the needless spilling of Jewish blood that perhaps could have been saved had Roosevelt ordered the bombing of the train tracks to Aushwitz. Overwhelming Jewish support for Obama is contributing greatly to the mortal danger facing Israel not only from the Palestinians but even more so from Iran. American Jews would be well advised to learn more about the Middle East from Israeli sources and rely less on the distorted positions of the likes of the New York Times, the Washington Post and George Soros et al.
Glory to the Almighty. Finally comments of our friends like LB,so out of context of any modernity, are really funny and do not convince even kindergarten age children. Give us a break. Go deep and be honest and stop jesting. Yes, the settlements are illegal and immoral and yes, they violently occupy Palestinian lands. This is the truth according to all international laws, human laws, laws of nature and divine laws. I do not see why the Palestinians would even discuss or negotiate this issue with anybody. They should go to court over this issue. Sometime in the future they will get back what is theirs if we believe in Talmudic laws.
The teeny-tiny minority of Right-Wing Jews who come here to the Forward website to scream and shout traitor (as usual, such a childish broken record) can whine and screech as much as they like.
Jews voted Obama and Democrat in as great a number as ever, because we believe in his message and don't doubt that he is a friend of Israel. And many of us believe he is a better friend of Israel than Benjamin Netanyahu. And certainly a better friend than the fascist convicted child-beater Avidgor Lieberman.
Sorry, but it's time to stop kissing the tuchus of every Israeli Prime Minister. We're having some hard economic times here, and don't need to keep paying for the bad behavior of a spoiled child, especially one whose supporters think that America has some kind of moral duty to keep handing over funds that help Israel build illegal West Bank settlements filled with fanatical nutjobs like the ones pictured above. And whose supporters, like Frank above, cry "Jew-Hater" because the Obama Administration doesn't support the policies of the Israeli Extreme Right. What Chutzpah!! What shameful, disgusting arrogance, as though the US "owes" money to Israel to support these activities!! As though the US "owes" money to Israel and has no right to make any demands!!
I highly admire Netanyahu for his courage to stand up to Obama. He is correct in pointing out how concessions to date have only led to war, and that's why such an approach cannot continue. Obama has to understand and instead of pressing Israelis Obama should press his Islamic friends in the arab world to accept defeat which they did by constantly through 60 years trying to defeeat the Jewish state amongst a sea of monsters
Bravo Yardena and David,
You echo my thoughts exactly.
Both Howard Berman and Henry Waxman were the worst Congressmen ever elected in a Los Angeles district, but the JINOs and elderly would swoon if they made a "Yiddish" remark.
Those days should now be passed, especially if both of them assent to Obama's demand that Jews cannot build rooms, extensions in their own homes on their own lands. What Obama, Hillary, and the Bogus Scrantonian Biden essentially want is for Judea-Samaria to be "Judenrein" - with a truncated Israel back at the 1949, not even 1967 plus borders.
The same Obama and Hillary who wring their hands ala Jimmy Carter when North Korea detonates nukes, fires missiles and threatens the world. But lecture and make demands of Israel. And you of the 78 percent mentality, you of the Waxman-Berman-Schumer-Wexler-Boxer-Feinstein-Emanuel mentality who stay silent while Iran builds up but support our Village Idiot when it comes to sticking it to Israel, are you really any better? What about that 900 mil of OUR money the child wants to give to Hamas? The aforementioned representatives must be called and told they will be held accountable.
And yes, so should the Village Idiot, the little child who sat in the pew for 20 years and can't tell the difference between North Korea, an enemy, and Israel, an ally except in the world of him, his administration, and the Emanuels, the Waxboys and Wexlers.
LB Ahmed Qorei former prime minister of palestinian territories[ officially stateless] said if jewish settlers want to live in palestinian lands then they should integrate in to those palestinian neighbourhoods instead eating up palestinian land and being guarded by israeli checkposts outside of those neighbourhoods. What kind of concessions israel made on the issues in camp david in 1999 right of return for palestinian, jerusalem, settlements, none ,leaving gaza in order to massacre people of gaza recently in january stopping reach of basic food supplies there, its US that has paid a hefty price by drawing the ire of rest of the world blood of its own civilians for supporting state like israel which is nuclear armed , non binding to international commitments its US thru which israel survived israel shouldnt forget that.
So let us see if we have this straight. The anti-Zionists claim that the Jews have no right to the land of Israel because before Israel was re-created in 1948, it had been almost 1,900 years since the last time Jews exercised The last time that Palestinian Arabs held sovereignty over the lands of "Palestine" was... never. sovereignty over the Land of Israel. And the anti-Zionists claim that it is absurd to argue that anyone still has rights to land that was last governed with sovereignty 1,900 years ago.
And on what basis do they argue that the Arabs have some legitimate claim to these same lands? On the basis of the claim that the Arabs last exercised sovereignty over that land 1,000 years ago.
You all with me? 1,900-year-old-claims are inadmissible. Thousand-year-old claims trump them and are indisputable.
Now let us emphasize that even the thousand-year-old Arab claim is not the same thing as a claim on behalf of Palestinian Arabs. After all, the last time that Palestinian Arabs held sovereignty over the lands of "Palestine" was... never. There has never been a Palestinian Arab state in Palestine.
Ever.
It is true that Arabs once exercised sovereignty over parts or all of historic Palestine. There were small Arab kingdoms in the south of "Palestine" already in late Biblical days, and they were important military and political allies of the Jews, who exercised sovereignty back then in the Land of Israel. After the rise of Islam, historic "Palestine" was indeed part of a larger Arab kingdom or caliphate. But that ended in 1071, when Palestine came under the rule of the Seljuk Turks. That was the last time Palestine had an Arab ruler. After that, it was always ruled by a long series of Ottomans, Mamluks, other Turks, Crusaders, British and - briefly - French.
In any case, why does the fact that Palestine once belonged to a larger Arab empire make it any more "Arab" than the fact that it also was once part of larger Roman, Greek, Persian, Turkish or British empires?
Now, it is true that Palestine probably once had a population majority who were Arabs, but today it has a population majority who are Jews. So if population majorities are what determine legitimacy of sovereignty, then Israel is at least as legitimate as any other country.
So why exactly do the anti-Zionists claim that a thousand-year-old claim by Arabs, who were never ruled by Palestinian Arabs, has legitimacy, while a 1,900-year claim by Jews to the land should be rejected as absurd, even though the United Nations granted Israel sovereignty in 1947? The anti-Zionists say it is because the thousand-year-old Arab claim is more recent than the older Jewish claim. But if national claims to lands become more legitimate when they are more recent, then surely the most legitimate claim of all is that of the Jews of Israel to the lands of Israel - because it is the most recent.
The other claim by the anti-Zionists is that Jews have no rights to the lands of Israel (historic Palestine) because they moved here from some other places. Never mind that there was actually always a Jewish minority living in the lands of Israel even when it was under the sovereignty of Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Crusaders, Turks or British. Does the fact that Jews moved to the land of Israel from other places disqualify them from exercising sovereignty there?
The claim would be absurd enough even if we were to ignore that fact that most "Palestinian Arabs" also moved to Palestine from neighboring countries, starting in the late nineteenth century. But more generally, does the fact that a people moves from one locality to another deprive it of its claims to legitimate sovereignty in its new abode? Does this fact necessitate the conclusion that they need to pack up and leave, as the anti-Zionists insist?
If it does, then it goes without saying that the Americans and Canadians must lead the way and show the Israelis the light, by returning all lands that they seized from the Indians and the Mexicans to their original owners and going back whence they came. For that matter, the Mexicans of Spanish ancestry also need to leave.
The Anglo-Saxons, meaning the English, will be invited to turn the British isles over to their rightful original Celtic and Druid owners, while they return to their own ancestral Saxon homeland in northern Germany and Denmark. The Danes, of course, will be asked to move aside; in fact, to move back to their Norwegian and Swedish homelands to make room for the returning Anglo-Saxons.
But that is just a beginning. The Spanish will be called upon to leave the Iberian peninsula that they wrongfully occupy and return it to the Celtiberians. Similarly, the Portuguese occupiers will leave their lands and return them to the Lusitanians. The Magyars will go back where they came from and leave Hungary to its true owners.
The Australians and New Zealanders obviously will have to end their occupations of lands that do not belong to them. The Thais will leave Thailand. The Bulgarians will return to their Volga homeland and abandon occupied Bulgaria. Anyone speaking Spanish will be expected to end his or her forced occupation of Latin America.
It goes without saying that the French will lose almost all their lands to their rightful owners. The Turks will go b The Arabs may retain control of the central portion of the Arabian peninsula as their homeland. But not the oil fields. ack to Mongolia and leave Anatolia altogether, returning it to the Greeks. The Germans will go back to Gotland. The Italians will return the boot to the Etruscans and Greeks.
Ah, but that leaves the Arabs. First, all of northern Africa, from Mauritania to Egypt and Sudan, will have to be immediately abandoned by the illegal Arab occupiers and squatters, and returned to their lawful original Berber, Punic, Greek and Vandal owners. Occupied Syria and Lebanon must be released at once from the cruel occupation of the Arab imperialist aggressors. Iraq must be returned to the Assyrians and Chaldeans. Southern Arabia must be returned to the Abyssinians. The Arabs may retain control of the central portion of the Arabian peninsula as their homeland. But not the oil fields.
Oh, and the Palestinian infiltrators, usurpers and squatters will, of course, have to return the lands they are illegally and wrongfully occupying, turning them over to their legal and rightful owners - which would be, of course, the Jews.
And right after all this, Israel will be happy to implement the Road Map in ful
It is now more than apparent that what I have been saying all along, that the Israeli leadership is hell bent on occupying the whole of Palestine while pretending that it wants a peace agreement, is 100% true. The pretense of a desire for peace is only to pacify Americans and the Israeli population, and lull them into a false sense of security.
The sheer impertinence of the foreign minister in telling OUR President that he will do as he is told, shows just how far the Israeli leadership is prepared to go in doing as it pleases as an aggressor nation.
The time is long past for pussy footing around with the arrogant and insulting Israeli leadership. We need very firm steps to stop the Israeli leadership in its tracks. We cannot afford to allow them to play Omar al Bashir games with us while the entire Middle East goes down in flames.
It is Netanyahu who must do what he is told, NOT our President. Netanyahu must immediately withdraw ALL Israeli troops from Palestinian territory, remove all Jewish settlements from the West Bank and Gaza, and get out of Jerusalem.
Failing immediate action on this, all funding and supplies must be cut off from Israel and all arms banned from entering. A blockade of Israel should be threatened.
Only by such drastic measures will an Armageddon involving the entire Middle East be avoided.
We cannot allow this to happen! Our troops are embroiled in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan and cannot support Israel in its wanton Aggression.
Israel was set up as an artificial State by the UN out of compassion for the Jewish people who had been oppressed by Adolph Hitler. In so doing the UN did not consider the Palestinian people. Now Israel wants to dominate the entire Middle East with OUR support.
IT IS LONG PAST TIME FOR US TO SAY NO !!!
We must move swiftly before disaster strikes, and we must be unyielding.
The issue is not war or peace: It is compliance by Israel or Armageddon.
How think you?
Sincerely,
Ian Campbell Cree, MB(Hons.), MS, FRCS(Eng. & C.), FACS, LRCP.
Ian Campbell Cree,
A lot of BS, no substance to be sure, but definitely a lot of anti-Jew hate within your worm-filled brain, pal.
Why don't you demand equal accordance by the Palestinians? An immediate release of Shalit. The dismantling - by force if necessary - of Hamas. The end to incitement and Jew-hate in Palestinian schools and institutions. And an immediate and honest recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, not the bogus Palestine?
You won't because you are a Fascist. And a Jew-hater.
How's Adolf these days, Ian. You and some of the other posters who are cheating David Duke and Jeremiah Wright their shekels should go and join him. You honestly won't be missed.
Alan R. M.A., MLS. Published Author.
If Jews can build in Connecticut, why should they be disenfranchised anywhere?
The settlements are the problem. One group of people were the modern day occupants of a particular piece of geography. Another group, horribly treated by a fascist government, were given a portion of that land, but it required the eviction of the current residents and seizure of their homes. This is not a centuries old conflict, although the rationale for creation of the modern state of Israel is. The thing that is as old as humankind is the collision between two different tribes for the same land/resources.
Modern Israel is a fact-on-the-ground that no rational thinker would suggest should be erased from the face of the earth, nor is anyone going to actually do that. But Bibi et. al., acting in a manner similar to America's European settlers, are simply taking what they want, much as my forebears "won the West." The questions are twofold: Is this acceptable to the nobler Jewish tradition of peace and human rights (I was fortunate enough to be associated with some of the noblest people on the face of the earth during America's anti-aparthied Civil Rights movement, and I don't need to remind anyone that that included Jews in meaningful numbers); and, can Israel continue to do what it is doing in the ever-expanding settlements without not only inflicting ever-increasing suffering on the Palestinians, and in the process destroying its very soul?
I do not know the answer to either of those questions, but I believe they are central and must be answered. And I believe that the leadership in the Democratic Party has concluded that Israel, with whom the Democratic Party stands foursquare, through its continuing expansion of the settlements, is endangering itself, the greater Middle East, and the place of the United States in the eyes of the rest of the world.
If one cannot argue that a policy is humane, just, and ultimately good for all parties concerned, one does not have an argument worth advancing.
A few follow ups for the ones on this thread who are truly interested in a reasoned, respectful dialogue.
Netanyahu does not represent some right wing fringe. There is not more than a handful of Israeli Jews who will agree to withdraw from the West Bank so long as the "moderate" Palestinian leaders continue to deny the legitimacy of a Jewish state and continue to teach their school children to hate Jews.
Is Netanyahu some kind of warmonger? For now, he says he does not want to discuss a two state solution. Why? His predecessor worked tirelessly and offered sincere compromises for a two state solution only to be told by the "moderate" Palestinian leader, "never" will he accept a Jewish state. So why should we fault Netanyahu for trying a different approach. If Abbas has changed his mind and wants a genuine two state peace (genuine meaning one Jewish state and one Palestinian state) then he can offer it. If Netanyahu says no, you can fault him then. (He won't say no; and if he did, he'd be out of office with a "no-confidence" motion faster than you can say "Tzipi Livni".)
And what is this other approach the evil Netanyahu is trying instead of negotiating a two state solution that his Palestinian counterpart has repeatedly and unequivocally rejected? To work closely with Palestinians and their leaders to improve their lives, to improve their economy, to create more opportunity and more jobs, to help them establish stronger civic institutions, a working judiciary and better health care.
(By the way, what does the "facist" Lieberman want? He wants Israelis to agree not to commit treason, not to undermine their country, not to help enemies kill Israeli children.)
There is nothing immoral about Jews living in the West Bank. If they want to live amongst Palestinians there, great. But few do because they are not welcome and their lives are endangered. The separate roads and checkpoints came long after the Palestinian unceasing violence. Stop the hatred and violence and you stop the separate roads and checkpoints. Since the 1990's, Palestinians have governed themselves. They should focus on creating a functioning judiciary, a working legislature and effective social services including healthcare. (Instead, Palestinians who need high level care, go to Israeli hospitals where they are gladly treated; that is, except when Palestinian leaders prohibit Palestinians from using Israeli hospitals as they did earlier this year.) Israelis are eager to help them.
David says: "One group of people were the modern day occupants of a particular piece of geography. Another group, horribly treated by a fascist government, were given a portion of that land, but it required the eviction of the current residents and seizure of their homes."
But David, this is factually incorrect. Jews have lived in the land continuously for thousands of years. More moved there in the 19th century. Their moving to what was a sparsely populated land did not require evicting anyone. They bought land just as people do around the world. The Jews and Israeli government from day one have been happy to live side by side with their Arab neighbors. Unfortunately, their Arab neighbors did not want to do so and have repeatedly refused the compromises and sharing arrangements that the UN and others have suggested and that Israel has accepted.
The settlements are not the issue at all. In 2001 Yasir Arafat accepted the proposal for sharing the land that President Clinton made. He stated that there were two items in the proposal, however, that he did not accept, two items that caused him to start a war against Israelis. First, he would not accept Israeli control of Jewish holy sites. (Israelis have always accepted Muslim control of Muslim holy sites. The first thing Israel did after the 1967 war was turn over Muslim holy sites to Muslim control. They did not return Jewish holy sites to Jordanian control. During the previous 20 years, Jordan had systematically harmed Jewish holy sites and prevented Jews from accessing them.) Arafat stated that the Jewish holy sites were inauthentic - that there had never been a Holy Temple in Jerusalem; Ramallah, maybe, but never Jerusalem. That is what Arafat said. That is when most Israelis realized that Arafat did not want peace. Second, Arafat demanded that millions of Arabs move to Israel. Even the most left-wing Jewish political parties in Israel will not accept this.
Finally, this is not a war about two tribes who can't share land or live together. It is about Jews, who desperately try year in and year out to share the land, and Palestinians who year in and year out refuse.
If you want peace, support the side that is willing to compromise for it and that teaches their children to accept others as equals; that has offered compromises in writing; that has not only offered compromises, but made enormous unilateral compromises (such as forcing all Jews to leave Gaza) in order to show good faith and encourage a peaceful response; that has made peace with neighbors (Jordan and Egypt) that have offered it, giving up land in order to make the peace; that ensures equal religious and voting rights for minorities, that proudly elects minorities to parliment and allows them to serve even if, as some do, those same minority members of parliment say hateful things and work to undermine the state; the side that gladly appoints minorities to serve on the Supreme Court and that, in the first place, has a citizenry that is 20% minority. That side is the Israelis.
Otherwise, you can support the Palestinian Authority that demands that no Jews live in their country, that produces children's television shows teaching children to hate Jews (with characters dressed up as furry, cute animals); that employs religious clerics who preach "kill Jews wherever you may find them"; that prohibits free speech, prevents press freedom, and denies religious equality and that persecutes gay men and women. That is the Palestinian Authority, the moderate Palestinian leadership.
Choose wisely if you want peace.
Whose lawmakers oppose Jews living in their own land?
Hmmmm. Let's see here.
Obama, Biden, Kerry, Levin, Waxman, Berman, Wexler, Nadler, Ackerman, Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Frank, et. al.,
Whose Party?
All Democrats.
Who is in favor of giving our tax dollars to Hamas?
All of THEM.
Which Party is more anti-Israel, and by extension, anti-Semitic?
The Democratic Party.
Any questions?
Jewish representatives - and so-called "moderate" Democrats need to decide whose train they're riding on.
Are they riding on America's train, and that means supporting Israel, supporting "Natural Growth" in the Settlements, opposing aid to Hamas, bringing Qaedists to our shores, demanding the Little Child stand firn on both Iran - and North Korea instead of wringing his hands like Jimmy Carter (another Democrat)?
Or are they riding on the train of the Democratic Party, of their idol, the Little Child known as Obama, appeasing our enemies and throwing Israel off the bus?
It's time to decide. If they favor Obama over Bibi they're no effing good and deserve to be thrown out of office no matter how many Yiddishisms they say or how they appeal to the Bubbeh and Zaydeh set.
Remember this - if Hitler were a Democrat, Liberal Jews and these guys would support him. Just as they deliver sermons to Bibi, send our money to Hamas, and do nothing about a real enemy - North Korea.
The censors apparently threw out my last note. Guess it was too strong for them even if it was the truth, and it was.
If you're anti-Israel, you're an anti-semite or a self-hater plain and simple. For me, its Israel - and my country, the United States of America, over a fraud named Obama and his party of cowards and other criminals, the Democrats.
Plain and Simple.
once the gangster rule ceases also israel's problems wld be adequately solved. alas, we've had gangster rule on world governance and national levels since at the latest with the egyptian ascendancy.
this is a simplicity to me. And, because it is, i deduce, also a simplicity to the members of ruling gangs, the ruling class or gang [which behaves exactly like any street gang] endeavors to make it complex.
a gang like in US, ergo, takes over 'education', media, entertainment, political discourse so as to persuade the pop that US is not ruled by gangsters but by 'public servants'.
of the necessary truth, there must be one enlightenment. However, the 'enlightenment' that is promulgated is the 'enlightenment' of gangsters who do not behave differently from biker or street gangs.
as a corrolary to having [potentially] one reality/knowledge, we cld say that, that of necessary knowledge, we can have only one religion; all others being cults. thus, sooner or later, dozens of major religions [which i call cults] wld evanesce, leaving us only one religion for those who need it.
even i need one. But the maximum i wld accept is that there may be a god. Add a word to this and one is in a cultish area. tnx bozhidar vancouver
I can understand why enemies of Israel and the Jewish people would be opposed to the "settlements", but why would Jews? Why would jews support a blatantly racist policy of Judenrein "West Bank?" Why can a million and more Arabs occupy land in Israeli Gallil, and nobody finds it offensive, but having Jews live in the ancient Jewish lands of Judea (Judea!)and Shomrom is a violation of some international agreement? After two thousand years of pogroms, forced resettlements, rapes, massacres, oppression and general helplessness, why would any Jew actually support a war on Jews (excuse me, affirming "international" law) when it is obvious to any fair-minded person that the application of this "international law" only applies to Jews! "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If not now, when?"
Hi Nathan,
I actually explained why a couple of days ago, but the censors here probably found it a bit hard to digest. It's the old self-hate thing. Note that JINOs will be the first, along with the typical haters to scream "Neo-Con" which as Mark Levin aptly pointed out is the Fascist euphenism for Jew. These are the kinds of Phillip Roth-Lox Bagel-Woody Allen Jews who don't say a word about Darfur, or Christian girls being beheaded in Indonesia, or babies bashed against prison walls in North Korea. They are the ones who thought Obama was chic, and President Bush a war criminal.
Of course, like the Jew-haters they associate with, the Fascist roaches, they are hypocrites who live on Occupied Native American soil, but won't give that a second thought. But if Israel bombs Hamas after three years of rockets falling on Sderot and Shalit rotting away, or wish to extend homes in THEIR OWN LAND, heaven help Israel - and the good people of the world.
They - the self-loathers, are in many ways, much worst than the anti-Semites they march with.
Thanks, Alan. You're right, of course, that those who spit on their own, will neither earn the respect of the anti-Semites, nor the self-respect they so fgervently desire. To deny the legimacy of your own people to cravenly solicit payment from those who hate them also is something all-too-well known in our long history. Josephus, whose own role during the Jewish uprising against Rome is somewhat ambiguous, says the following in his "The Jewish Wars": "I trust that never while I live, shall I become such an abject slave, as to deny my birth, or forget my heritage." I don't think that the "Jewish" supporters of Obama are capable of such feelings or nobility.
Israel is an illegitimate entity because it was stoeln from its real owners, the Palestinian people. It is funny to see you supposedly smart people fighting and calling each other names because every chilld over the age of 5 knows that you can have israel or peace, but not both. "Israel" is the only nation taht was stolen from another people, and every grain will be returned. Make a homeland in Las Vegas-your historical claim there is far stronger
Nathan,
Thank You.
By the way, did you see the demonstration at Grand Central Station a few days ago when General Petreaus was in town. The one of the orange jumpsuit (actually appropo for them)wearing "World Can't Wait" crying that those in Gitmo were just innocent little boys who would never hurt a fly, but we're torturing them, and that Bush and Cheney are war criminals.
I don't live in NYC but I have friends who do who witnessed the entire sickening spectacle. These are the same folks who ignore the torture murder of Halimi in Paris (read that one, Raed, your people are such humanitarians), of the slitting of throats, the genocidal bombings of women and children, and who give a pass to a REAL war criminal, the UN General Assembly President D'Escoto, who, as a Sandinista Commandante in Nicaragua was personally involved in the slaughter of 10,000 Miskito Indians.
Point I'm making is that the usual self-haters were in there, the ones who forgot 9/11, who would blast Israel at a moment's notice, screaming away - the same self-haters who actually micmic Hitler. Josephus and even some of the Judenrat (the ones who did try to save lives) are saints compared to the Jews who would join those who'd kill us.
Final point. Outside of the Christian Lebanese martyrs, you won't find a similiar group of Arab dissidents - because they would be murdered immediately if they sought peace with Israel or tried to end the violence.
According to LB, Netanyahu does not represent right-wing fringe, have'nt you heard about the nakba law[or assumed that we haven't heard] and other limiting freedom of speech legislations introduced by his coalition lawmakers. By the way which predecessor worked tirelessly for the 2 state solution, israelis elect the best person who can divert attention away from 2 state solution by offering some new fear last time I heard it was Hamas in Gaza does'nt accept us so we wont talk to Abbas in the West Bank now new fear called Iran could'nt find any takers in Washington so hopefully they will find something new to divert attention from mid east peace, Abbas wants jews living in Palestine to adhere to laws of palestinian state not living in isolated islands like neighbourhoods with israeli soldiers acting as their gate keepers live in palestine try to live with palestinian, this line that moderate palestinian dont accept a jewish state is so stupid given the 40 years they have been thrown into somebody must ask palestinians if they wish of negotiating with someone who sometimes sit on the side of the table and sometimes on apache helicopter gunships killing their own[recently in Gaza]. If i have the chance i would definitely like to vote against Abbas and fatah and throw him out of office he was unable to reduce security check points make life easy for west bank residents in travelling inside the west bank without blockages the corruption, is still there status quo pretty much remains and settlements are growing in jerusalem rite now palestinians battling for dear life to get water supply from jordan valley as israeli army has blocked that as well and building settlements there, the palestinians in Gaza are asking international community to pressure israel to ease conditions on border to get access to basic food supplies Palestinians hate jews comment can be made only by a person like LB who lives in another world and even rejects palestinians as human beings. The muslim holy sites LB says israel gave back to muslims need to tell those palestinians who with IDs marking their residence in jerusalem are only allowed to enter the Quds mosque during friday prayers israeli soldiers dont let any palestinian [age less than 45] enter the mosque wow israeli justice noted.
So much ranting and raving. And so long-winded.
Why do we pretend that Israel withdrew from Lebanon and Gaza when in truth the IDF remained very much present to the Arab populations of those places?
Why do we need to hold power even more than we need to have peace with our Arab neighbors, both within Israel and in the occupied territories?
How long can we resist the world's invitation to re-evaluate our stance?
When we finally return to sanity, how will we be able to bear the shame of it all?
There is no Israel I can see as of yet. It remains, as ever, a dream. A dream of a just and peaceful land. For everyone.
Rebecca,
Sorry you're so naive. How is the Kool-Aid?
The only reason - the ONLY REASON why the IDF stayed close to both Gaza and Southern Lebanon were the continuance of NO PEACE, but MORE ROCKETINGS, MORE KILLINGS, MORE KIDNAPPINGS on the part of Hamas and Hezbollah.
When someone wants you dead, Rebecca, are you going to open your door and invite him in?
They DO NOT WANT PEACE, and that's something you and your fellow JINO lefties better start realizing. The Age of Obama is NOT bringing the Jewish People Peace because it is emboldening those who want to destroy us.
Go to Gaza and West Beirut and meekly ask Hamas and Nasrallah to remove the anti-Jewish murderous slurs in the textbooks and proclamations. Ask them to disarm, remove rocket launchers. Better yet, ask them to release Shalit. Let's see how far you get, girl.
But hey, its ok to demand Jews vacate their homes, right. Well, hon, that happened before, three years ago, and Sderot paid a price as well as Gilad Shalit for that pipe dream of peace.
As far as shame is concerned, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for your naivete.
Remember what I said. If someone wants to kill you, are you going to open the door, singing Kumbaya, and let them in?
Alan, you ought to be ashamed of yourself cos I don't have that many names for the no.s 1400 massacred in Gaza thousands killed in lebanon in 2006 displacing millions in southern lebanon, Sderot's every house has a bomb shelter built alongwith it and by the way the hamas rockets dont contain the phosphorus bombs that israelis supported by apologists like you hit on women and children. Your mindset is limited and does not have the flexibility to achieve peace you only understand hatred if someone shows understanding you call them weak naive. People ,like you predicted that after israel gives back sinai to egypt israel will be destroyed finished done with, Israel since then has established diplomatic ties with many countries under the response of 91 peace accords strengthened its nuclear arsenal and quadrupled its defence budget that should make you proud. You also first remove the hatred literature your orthodox schools with ties to meir kahane [ being run by david haivri] for mass expulsion of israeli arab citizens from Israel basically suppporting supplying hate-filled material against islam all around the world. The limited literature of arabs is nothing compared to the catastrophic implications your support provide which makes conditions ripe for a muslim holocaust in the world.
JMB does not deserve the respect of a reply to his/her inaccurate accusations. However, I will not let him/her get away with accusing me of "reject[ing] Palestinians as human beings."
I support the policies that I do because it will help Palestinians who want to live in peace along side their Jewish cousins. It will make their lives better. The policies that I support are far better for Palestinians than the hate-mongering of JMB and current Palestinian leaders, who reject every claim of legitimacy for Israel and refuse every compromise. Those policies consign millions of Palestinians to lives of poverty and violence. Both Palestinians and Jews deserve better.
Rebecca,
Maybe you should read some of those "long-winded" posts and find out if what we are saying is true. The IDF did not stay in Lebanon. The IDF did not stay in Gaza. The result: Hezbullah and Hamas continued to bomb Israeli children. Only after years of this did the IDF respond. You should consider why it is that leaving Lebanon and Gaza did not bring peace, did not bring the slightest peaceful gesture of peace from Hezbullah or Hamas.
If, instead, you see the lack of peace as proof that Israel did not do the right thing, then you are stuck in an imaginary, theoretical world where Palestinian violence is proof of Israeli fault. In this way, you work against peace. In this way, you treat Palestinians not as fellow human beings but as some sort of sub-species who, unlike Jews are not expected to act humanely. I see Palestinians as human-beings. We should support Palestinian leaders who act and speak humanely instead of continuing to support and make excuses for those Palestinian leaders like the "moderate" Abbas who teach hatred.
LB
All of modern day Israel IS a settlement. There is no scrap, portion or grain of sand in Israel today which was not taken with the same bullying self-righteous tactics that the "settlers" now use. In this way the "People of Israel" continue the process of confiscating, stealing, and bullying away other people's land, as they have done since 1919.
If you really want to understand why people have hated Jews for 2,000 years, look at Israel. How can anyone miss the on-going atheistic selfishness of the Zionist movement? As Moses himself once said to Aaron: "What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?" "Do not be angry, my lord," Aaron answered. "You know how prone these people are to evil." Exodus 32:21-22
If the Jews of Israel really want their homes to be temples, then they should pay the price which David paid for the land to build the first temple. "But King David replied to Araunah, "No, I insist on paying the full price. I will not take for the Lord what is yours, or sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing." 1 Chronicles 21:24
Zionism insists that the theft of land is superior to paying full price for it. As a result, every home in Israel is polluted and unclean because they live on stolen land for which they have paid nothing. All the Zionistic rhetoric in the world will not change the simple basic fact that the God of Israel will not live amongst people who do not follow his laws.
That was last week.
This week: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23207.html
As President Barack Obama prepares to depart for his first trip to the Arab world, the administration’s escalating pressure on Israel to freeze all growth of its settlements on Palestinian land has begun to stir concern among Israel’s numerous allies in both parties on Capitol Hill.
“My concern is that we are applying pressure to the wrong party in this dispute,” said Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.). “I think it would serve America’s interest better if we were pressuring the Iranians to eliminate the potential of a nuclear threat from Iran , and less time pressuring our allies and the only democracy in the Middle East to stop the natural growth of their settlements.”
“When Congress gets back into session the administration is going to hear from many more members than just me,” she said.
But even a key defender of Obama’s Mideast policy, Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), is seeking to narrow the administration’s definition of “settlement” to take pressure off Obama. And the unusual criticism by congressional Democrats of the popular president is a sign that it may take more than a transformative presidential election to change the domestic politics of Israel.
Other Democrats, in interviews with POLITICO, raised similar concerns. While few will defend illegal Jewish outposts on land they hope will be part of a Palestinian state, they question putting public pressure on Israel while — so far — paying less public attention to Palestinian terrorism and other Arab states’ hostility to Israel.
“There’s a line between articulating U.S. policy and seeming to be pressuring a democracy on what are their domestic policies, and the president is tiptoeing right up to that line,” said Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who said he’d heard complaints from constituents during the congressional recess. “I would have liked to hear the president talk more about the Palestinian obligation to cut down on terrorism.”
“I don’t think anybody wants to dictate to an ally what they have to do in their own national security interests,” said Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), who said he thinks there’s “room for compromise.”
Wow, even Gary Ack!
alan, i do evaluate that we've had gang rule in every land and empire for at least 8K yrs. it is gangs without any pangs who led us to thousands of wars. Was not a king anything but a gangster? And behaved just like a biker gang leader? not to you, eh? so, where's the problem? I've read some of your posts. All of the posts i have read deters free speech flow. Once you call people names, you tell us s'mthing about you and nothing, zilch about the person you call names. that is the only useful information you give away: hoping to scare people from speaking freely. to me, you write like any other selfhating 'jew'. You only encourage people who think like you; mostly desperate and selfhating 'jews'. it seems that at least 90+% of 'jews' think like you do. but 'jews' comprise only about 0001% of the world pop. And not all 'jews' are judaists. so, i conclude, judaists wld be eternally hated and persecuted. tnx
Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day. As they walked, they came across a sign: "Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world." "I am entering!" said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, "Well, how'd ya do?" "First Place!," said Snow White. They continue walking and they see another sign: "Contest for the strongest man in the world." "I'm entering," says Superman. After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, "How did you make out?" "First Place ," answers Superman. "Did you ever doubt?" They continue walking when they see another sign: "Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?" Pinocchio enters. After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes. "What happened?" they asked. "Who the hell is Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.
Everyone knows that building the settlements is Israel’s plan to steal more land from the Palestinians before they get their own state. It's unacceptable. How would you like some dead beats to pitch tent in your back yard and tell you under the threat of physical violence there's nothing you can do about it. No wonder the Palestinians are fighting back. Yes, Israel is stronger than them so they react in the only way they can. How does one respond to bullying? Well finally, I hope, in Obama we have someone who can put a stop to it. To those right winged Zionists, God gave you nothing but your life and when it's time like for all of us, he'll take it. No I don't hate Jews, I'm a human being who believes in justice, equality, liberty, freedom of speech and humanity.